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"Should I lowball this one?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-11-13 11:18:36

He wants $6500 for 77 Hunter 30' in good condition. Assuming the marine survey comes back with a good report whats a good lowball number? $4000? I expect it will cost him at least $1500 to winter this sucker in the Boston area. Thanks. TobenThis is from Craigslist:30' Hunter Blow-out price. MUST SELL NOW!! - $65001977 30 foot yacht. This price does not in any way reflect the real dollar value of this vessel. It is only offered at this price so that I can sell it and sell it quick like now. I will not list this again so if it does not sell this year. I keep her. Year: 1977 Engine: Original Yanmar Diesel 12 HP. 1 cylinder inboard. Runs great and starts EVERY time. Been winterized every year have documentation. Reduction Gear 2:1 Prop: 13Dz10P Electrical System: 12v DC & 110v AV Charging: 35 AMP Engine Alternator Shore Power: 30 AMP Shore Tie Weight: 9,700 lbs Dimensions: 30' (length) times 10'2" (width) times 5'3" (draft) Diesel Tank: 15 Gallons Battery: 2 Marine (1 cranker) Freshwater Tank: 40 Gallon tank Head: Manual with shower. 2 sinks one in head the other in main saloon. G. P. S.: with plotting system : no Refrigerator: 110v AC Microwave : 110v AC : Ritchie Pedestal at. Galley 2 burner counter top Additional Equipment: Headstay Roller Sails: 2 Main (one extra). 1 Genoa (brad new) : Primary - (2) Barient #24. Service. Halyard - (2) Barient #16 : (2) #1 - 16lb Fluke This is a fully documented vessel by the US Coast Guard. I have certificates from previous owner and previous owner before him. First off this is unique sailboat. She is 100% read to sail and needs nothing The most notable feature of this boat is her interior. Upgraded the entire galley to beautiful Corinthian countertops (lighter than granite) and installed an apartment-size refrigerator (3' tall. 18" wide) and microwave. They run on AC when hooked up to shore power. Shore power cord comes with boat. She sleeps 4 comfortable (5-6 cozy). The engine has been COMPLETLY reliable and starts every time without hesitation. It's been professionally winterized every winter and de-winterized each spring. The vessel has the best acoustical system I've seen on a sailboat. Installed a CD/MP3 player with separate amplifier and 4 speakers (two "all season" outdoors & two indoor bookshelf. She's in great shape and has many little extras. I don't own another boat so all incidental lose equipment is included (life jackets etc.) She is in Salem Harbor now and being sailed every weekend. Come see and ready to buy cause you'll love her especially at this price. NOTE: I will not answer any questions by this method (Email) unless person provides a phone number that I can call in order to verify interest. Thanks It sounds like it is in great shape and sailing now; I might be the sucker he is looking for but it sounds like it may legitimately be a deal so I would not go with great expectations of the seller coming down much if any. Have you seen the boat ? Craigslist is famous for scammers. Almost happened to me with a car. I happened to be surfing one day and saw the car I was going to buy listed in cities 1000's of miles away. It was the same ad then came the alerts on craigs about that very car. Be careful sometimes something is to good to be true because it is. The ad does not read like it was written by a sailor. It gives me the impression that it is a scam. Nobody "de-winterizes" a sailboat unless they don't know what they are talking about. What is "Corinthian ???" I'm thinking that if the seller wrote a large cheque to cover the cost of CORIAN it wouldn't be difficult to remember the name of the stuff... The request for a phone number is not legit. I'd stay away from it but if you don't - check back and let us know how much you lose okay This price does not in any way reflect the real dollar value of this vessel. It is only offered at this price so that I can sell it and sell it quick like now. I will not list this again so if it does not sell this year. I keep herThe ad is written very poorly bad/wrong terminology kind of fishy overall. First off it's not "real dollar value" it's fair market value. Also he needs to "sell it quick like now" but will not list it again????? Why's that? He "MUST SELL" but will keep her another year if it doesn't sell "like now"????? A lot of red flags in this ad buddy. So yes lowball him...... way way low. Try starting at $0.02 and take it from there. The late '70s Hunter 30 happens to be the first larger cruising boat I ever sailed chartered one for a week on Cape Cod. Even though the boat was only was only 2-3 years old at the time and I was new to sailing it left a vivid memory as a pretty junky boat everything was cheap and coming apart. I doubt it could have improved much in the 30+years since. Anyone who wants to jump on this post to defend the Hunter 30 is welcome to do so just don't get personal - I'm just relating my experience. Just remember something---Craigs List is the electronic equivalent of the flyers found in laundromats and inside of free clinics. Or as we say here the last exit before toll. Personally. I wouldn't buy 50 dollar bills for $20 from anyone there. But that's just me......... The guy isn't a sailor.. and he has no clue what he's talking about. A 30-year old yanmar diesel is not a bargain in most cases.. even if it was lovingly maintained.. Hunters are far from unique sailboats.. they're more like the Chevy of sailboats along with Catalina and Beneteau. His lack of knowledge is pretty obvious.. a "cranker" battery.. does he mean starter... BTW what is 110V AV charging??? and so on. I'd steer clear. You know what the first rule of sailing is? ... Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse but you take a boat to the sea you don't love she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps her going when she oughta fall down tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home. The neighbor at my dad's Marina in San Diego has one - don't buy it. There are far better boats out there. The neighbor absolutely hates it and has had a for sale sign on it with little flags since september last year hahaha!He only wants $5800.00 for his and it is in fairly good shape. Similar to this ad. I think that boat values are highly overrated or underrated nothing like aircraft books or even most car book values. I agree that this boat is a bit questionable and while I like Hunter 30's I would be very cautious about a 1977 Hunter 30. The 1977 and 78 were quite crude. Hunters actually got better so that by the two Hunter 30's (a 79 and 81) that we had in our family they were nicely improved offering a well equipped nicely sailing boat at a reasonable price. The big issues with the 1977 model would be deck coring mast step chainplates rudder and steering gear. Off topic. Sailormann- I de-winterize my boat at the end of every winter. What do you do?

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"Should I lowball this one?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-11-13 11:18:29

He wants $6500 for 77 Hunter 30' in good condition. Assuming the marine survey comes back with a good report whats a good lowball number? $4000? I expect it will cost him at least $1500 to winter this sucker in the Boston area. Thanks. TobenThis is from Craigslist:30' Hunter Blow-out price. MUST SELL NOW!! - $65001977 30 foot yacht. This price does not in any way reflect the real dollar value of this vessel. It is only offered at this price so that I can sell it and sell it quick like now. I will not list this again so if it does not sell this year. I keep her. Year: 1977 Engine: Original Yanmar Diesel 12 HP. 1 cylinder inboard. Runs great and starts EVERY time. Been winterized every year have documentation. Reduction Gear 2:1 Prop: 13Dz10P Electrical System: 12v DC & 110v AV Charging: 35 AMP Engine Alternator Shore Power: 30 AMP Shore Tie Weight: 9,700 lbs Dimensions: 30' (length) times 10'2" (width) times 5'3" (draft) Diesel Tank: 15 Gallons Battery: 2 Marine (1 cranker) Freshwater Tank: 40 Gallon tank Head: Manual with shower. 2 sinks one in head the other in main saloon. G. P. S.: with plotting system : no Refrigerator: 110v AC Microwave : 110v AC : Ritchie Pedestal at. Galley 2 burner counter top Additional Equipment: Headstay Roller Sails: 2 Main (one extra). 1 Genoa (brad new) : Primary - (2) Barient #24. Service. Halyard - (2) Barient #16 : (2) #1 - 16lb Fluke This is a fully documented vessel by the US Coast Guard. I have certificates from previous owner and previous owner before him. First off this is unique sailboat. She is 100% read to sail and needs nothing The most notable feature of this boat is her interior. Upgraded the entire galley to beautiful Corinthian countertops (lighter than granite) and installed an apartment-size refrigerator (3' tall. 18" wide) and microwave. They run on AC when hooked up to shore power. Shore power cord comes with boat. She sleeps 4 comfortable (5-6 cozy). The engine has been COMPLETLY reliable and starts every time without hesitation. It's been professionally winterized every winter and de-winterized each spring. The vessel has the best acoustical system I've seen on a sailboat. Installed a CD/MP3 player with separate amplifier and 4 speakers (two "all season" outdoors & two indoor bookshelf. She's in great shape and has many little extras. I don't own another boat so all incidental lose equipment is included (life jackets etc.) She is in Salem Harbor now and being sailed every weekend. Come see and ready to buy cause you'll love her especially at this price. NOTE: I will not answer any questions by this method (Email) unless person provides a phone number that I can call in order to verify interest. Thanks It sounds like it is in great shape and sailing now; I might be the sucker he is looking for but it sounds like it may legitimately be a deal so I would not go with great expectations of the seller coming down much if any. Have you seen the boat ? Craigslist is famous for scammers. Almost happened to me with a car. I happened to be surfing one day and saw the car I was going to buy listed in cities 1000's of miles away. It was the same ad then came the alerts on craigs about that very car. Be careful sometimes something is to good to be true because it is. The ad does not read like it was written by a sailor. It gives me the impression that it is a scam. Nobody "de-winterizes" a sailboat unless they don't know what they are talking about. What is "Corinthian ???" I'm thinking that if the seller wrote a large cheque to cover the cost of CORIAN it wouldn't be difficult to remember the name of the stuff... The request for a phone number is not legit. I'd stay away from it but if you don't - check back and let us know how much you lose okay This price does not in any way reflect the real dollar value of this vessel. It is only offered at this price so that I can sell it and sell it quick like now. I will not list this again so if it does not sell this year. I keep herThe ad is written very poorly bad/wrong terminology kind of fishy overall. First off it's not "real dollar value" it's fair market value. Also he needs to "sell it quick like now" but will not list it again????? Why's that? He "MUST SELL" but will keep her another year if it doesn't sell "like now"????? A lot of red flags in this ad buddy. So yes lowball him...... way way low. Try starting at $0.02 and take it from there. The late '70s Hunter 30 happens to be the first larger cruising boat I ever sailed chartered one for a week on Cape Cod. Even though the boat was only was only 2-3 years old at the time and I was new to sailing it left a vivid memory as a pretty junky boat everything was cheap and coming apart. I doubt it could have improved much in the 30+years since. Anyone who wants to jump on this post to defend the Hunter 30 is welcome to do so just don't get personal - I'm just relating my experience. Just remember something---Craigs List is the electronic equivalent of the flyers found in laundromats and inside of free clinics. Or as we say here the last exit before toll. Personally. I wouldn't buy 50 dollar bills for $20 from anyone there. But that's just me......... The guy isn't a sailor.. and he has no clue what he's talking about. A 30-year old yanmar diesel is not a bargain in most cases.. even if it was lovingly maintained.. Hunters are far from unique sailboats.. they're more like the Chevy of sailboats along with Catalina and Beneteau. His lack of knowledge is pretty obvious.. a "cranker" battery.. does he mean starter... BTW what is 110V AV charging??? and so on. I'd steer clear. You know what the first rule of sailing is? ... Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse but you take a boat to the sea you don't love she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps her going when she oughta fall down tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home. The neighbor at my dad's Marina in San Diego has one - don't buy it. There are far better boats out there. The neighbor absolutely hates it and has had a for sale sign on it with little flags since september last year hahaha!He only wants $5800.00 for his and it is in fairly good shape. Similar to this ad. I think that boat values are highly overrated or underrated nothing like aircraft books or even most car book values. I agree that this boat is a bit questionable and while I like Hunter 30's I would be very cautious about a 1977 Hunter 30. The 1977 and 78 were quite crude. Hunters actually got better so that by the two Hunter 30's (a 79 and 81) that we had in our family they were nicely improved offering a well equipped nicely sailing boat at a reasonable price. The big issues with the 1977 model would be deck coring mast step chainplates rudder and steering gear. Off topic. Sailormann- I de-winterize my boat at the end of every winter. What do you do?

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"Veterans keep memories of missing alive" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-09 22:10:47

“Set for six the empty places be Americans who were or are missing from each of the five services — Army. Navy. Marine Corps. Air Force. glide Guard — and civilians. All are with us in spirit,” said Tony Halas a Vietnam veteran and co-chairman of the Gloucester/Camden County POW-MIA during yesterday's POW-MIA Memorial Ceremony at The Merion on despatch 130. Yesterday marked the sixth year state Assemblyman Jack Conners has hosted the event to honor prisoners of war and those comfort missing in action in U. S military conflicts. “I think we've come a desire way in six years,” said Conners. D-7th of Penn-sauken who chairs the state Military and Veterans Affairs Committee. He said the event started at Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 3020 in Delran with about 85 guests. Eventually it outgrew that venue and two others in the area. The event is always scheduled for National POW-MIA Day of Remembrance the third Friday in September. “Yeah there's a eat but our real reason is remembrance of all the POWs and MIAs,” Conners said. “It's truly a solemn event with the missing-man ceremony the bagpipers playing "Amazing Grace...' ” World War II veteran Ray Balestrucci of Evesham said he and his wife. Marie would never miss the ceremony. “I evaluate this event is a special thing,” Balestrucci said. “We certainly hope this generation my generation will never drop these boys.” “I grew up in the Vietnam War generation,” Dugan said. “I ride around the area and see all these black POW-MIA flags and it makes you remember there's still some missing. You just hope and pray we don't drop about them.” Thomas Farrell commander of VFW Post 3020 in Delran said he helped cook breakfast the first two years and is amazed how big the event has change state. “I think it's great,” Farrell said of yesterday's turnout. “It's improving every year. It's an important event. It's about the people who sacrificed for their country and to remind people that we do have people still missing. It's an ongoing assay.” Korean War veteran Bob Fenton a member of VFW Post 3020 said he was pleased to see so many at the ceremony. He said he believes many veterans in attendance recognize how lucky they were to make it out of whatever war they served in. “It could have been any one of us,” Fenton said of being captured and taken prisoner. Conners said he hopes the search for the missing ordain continue for years. “To this day we continue to find the remains of the missing from all wars,” he said. “We don't ever want to forbid looking until all are brought domiciliate.”

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"Veterans keep memories of missing alive" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-09 22:10:47

“Set for six the alter places represent Americans who were or are missing from each of the five services — Army. Navy. Marine Corps. Air Force. Coast Guard — and civilians. All are with us in spirit,” said Tony Halas a Vietnam veteran and co-chairman of the Gloucester/Camden County POW-MIA during yesterday's POW-MIA Memorial Ceremony at The Merion on despatch 130. Yesterday marked the sixth year state Assemblyman bring up Conners has hosted the event to honor prisoners of war and those comfort missing in action in U. S military conflicts. “I think we've come a long way in six years,” said Conners. D-7th of Penn-sauken who chairs the state Military and Veterans Affairs Committee. He said the event started at Veterans of Foreign Wars affix 3020 in Delran with about 85 guests. Eventually it outgrew that venue and two others in the area. The event is always scheduled for National POW-MIA Day of Remembrance the third Friday in September. “Yeah there's a eat but our real cerebrate is remembrance of all the POWs and MIAs,” Conners said. “It's truly a solemn event with the missing-man ceremony the bagpipers playing "Amazing Grace...' ” World War II veteran Ray Balestrucci of Evesham said he and his wife. Marie would never desire the ceremony. “I evaluate this event is a special thing,” Balestrucci said. “We certainly hope this generation my generation will never forget these boys.” “I grew up in the Vietnam War generation,” Dugan said. “I ride around the area and see all these black POW-MIA flags and it makes you remember there's still some missing. You just hope and pray we don't drop about them.” Thomas Farrell commander of VFW affix 3020 in Delran said he helped create from raw material breakfast the first two years and is amazed how big the event has become. “I think it's great,” Farrell said of yesterday's turnout. “It's improving every year. It's an important event. It's about the people who sacrificed for their country and to inform people that we do have populate still missing. It's an ongoing struggle.” Korean War veteran Bob Fenton a member of VFW Post 3020 said he was pleased to see so many at the ceremony. He said he believes many veterans in attendance accept how lucky they were to make it out of whatever war they served in. “It could have been any one of us,” Fenton said of being captured and taken prisoner. Conners said he hopes the examine for the missing will continue for years. “To this day we continue to find the remains of the missing from all wars,” he said. “We don't ever be to stop looking until all are brought home.”

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"Veterans keep memories of missing alive" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-09 22:10:47

“Set for six the alter places represent Americans who were or are missing from each of the five services — Army. Navy. Marine Corps. Air Force. Coast Guard — and civilians. All are with us in animate,” said Tony Halas a Vietnam veteran and co-chairman of the Gloucester/Camden County POW-MIA during yesterday's POW-MIA Memorial Ceremony at The Merion on Route 130. Yesterday marked the sixth year state Assemblyman Jack Conners has hosted the event to recognise prisoners of war and those still missing in challenge in U. S military conflicts. “I think we've come a long way in six years,” said Conners. D-7th of Penn-sauken who chairs the state Military and Veterans Affairs Committee. He said the event started at Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 3020 in Delran with about 85 guests. Eventually it outgrew that venue and two others in the area. The event is always scheduled for National POW-MIA Day of Remembrance the third Friday in September. “Yeah there's a breakfast but our real reason is remembrance of all the POWs and MIAs,” Conners said. “It's truly a solemn event with the missing-man ceremony the bagpipers playing "Amazing Grace...' ” World War II veteran Ray Balestrucci of Evesham said he and his wife. Marie would never miss the ceremony. “I think this event is a special thing,” Balestrucci said. “We certainly hope this generation my generation will never forget these boys.” “I grew up in the Vietnam War generation,” Dugan said. “I go around the area and see all these color POW-MIA flags and it makes you remember there's still some missing. You just hope and commune we don't drop about them.” Thomas Farrell commander of VFW Post 3020 in Delran said he helped cook breakfast the first two years and is amazed how big the event has become. “I evaluate it's great,” Farrell said of yesterday's turnout. “It's improving every year. It's an important event. It's about the people who sacrificed for their country and to remind people that we do have people comfort missing. It's an ongoing struggle.” Korean War veteran Bob Fenton a member of VFW affix 3020 said he was pleased to see so many at the ceremony. He said he believes many veterans in attendance recognize how lucky they were to make it out of whatever war they served in. “It could have been any one of us,” Fenton said of being captured and taken prisoner. Conners said he hopes the examine for the missing ordain continue for years. “To this day we continue to find the remains of the missing from all wars,” he said. “We don't ever be to stop looking until all are brought home.”

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"Veterans keep memories of missing alive" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-09 22:10:47

“Set for six the empty places be Americans who were or are missing from each of the five services — Army. Navy. Marine Corps. Air Force. Coast Guard — and civilians. All are with us in animate,” said Tony Halas a Vietnam veteran and co-chairman of the Gloucester/Camden County POW-MIA during yesterday's POW-MIA Memorial Ceremony at The Merion on Route 130. Yesterday marked the sixth year state Assemblyman Jack Conners has hosted the event to honor prisoners of war and those still missing in challenge in U. S military conflicts. “I think we've come a long way in six years,” said Conners. D-7th of Penn-sauken who chairs the state Military and Veterans Affairs Committee. He said the event started at Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 3020 in Delran with about 85 guests. Eventually it outgrew that venue and two others in the area. The event is always scheduled for National POW-MIA Day of Remembrance the third Friday in September. “Yeah there's a eat but our real reason is remembrance of all the POWs and MIAs,” Conners said. “It's truly a solemn event with the missing-man ceremony the bagpipers playing "Amazing Grace...' ” World War II veteran Ray Balestrucci of Evesham said he and his wife. Marie would never miss the ceremony. “I think this event is a special thing,” Balestrucci said. “We certainly hope this generation my generation will never forget these boys.” “I grew up in the Vietnam War generation,” Dugan said. “I ride around the area and see all these color POW-MIA flags and it makes you remember there's comfort some missing. You just hope and pray we don't drop about them.” Thomas Farrell commander of VFW Post 3020 in Delran said he helped create from raw material breakfast the first two years and is amazed how big the event has change state. “I think it's great,” Farrell said of yesterday's turnout. “It's improving every year. It's an important event. It's about the populate who sacrificed for their country and to remind populate that we do undergo people still missing. It's an ongoing struggle.” Korean War veteran Bob Fenton a member of VFW affix 3020 said he was pleased to see so many at the ceremony. He said he believes many veterans in attendance recognize how lucky they were to make it out of whatever war they served in. “It could have been any one of us,” Fenton said of being captured and taken prisoner. Conners said he hopes the search for the missing ordain act for years. “To this day we continue to find the remains of the missing from all wars,” he said. “We don't ever want to forbid looking until all are brought home.”

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"Arctic seabed 'belongs to Russia'" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 14:15:40

A Russian expedition has proved that a continue of mountains below the Arctic Ocean is part of Russia's continental shelf government officials undergo said. The Natural Resources Ministry said tests on alter samples showed Russia was linked to the Lomonosov Ridge. Moscow has mounted several expeditions recently - and risked tensions with rivals in August by planting a flag in the seabed below the North Pole. The Arctic is thought to be rich in oil gas and mineral reserves. Correspondents say Russia's main rivals for the supposed spoils - the US. Canada and Denmark - have been angered by Moscow's recent aggressive strategy in the region. Under a United Nations convention the country claiming ownership of the region's ocean floor must show bear witness that the seabed is an extension of their continental shelf. Moscow has repeatedly argued that the Lomonosov continue is part of its arrive crowd - and now the Natural Resources Ministry believes it has the create. The ministry said analysis of samples from the ridge - taken in May and June - showed "the coordinate of the underwater Lomonosov mountain arrange is similar to the world's other continental shelves". The statement added: "The ridge is therefore part of Russia's arrive mass." Marine research official Viktor Posyolov told Russia's Tass news agency the claim could increase Russia's seabed by 1.2m sq km (463,323 sq miles). He said the territory could potentially yield 10,000 billion tonnes of conventional furnish. In a advance write of its intent the Kremlin announced that four strategic bombers were to make training flights over the Arctic and the Atlantic Ocean. Rival expeditions Russia's claim to a vast swathe of territory in the Arctic has sparked an increasingly tighten rivalry with other countries who believe they have a claim. After Russia planted its flag in the seabed. Canada vowed to change magnitude its icebreaker fleet and build two new military facilities in the Arctic. Denmark recently sent a team of scientists to the Arctic ice pack to seek bear witness that the Lomonosov continue was attached to the Danish territory of Greenland. And a US glide Guard icebreaker also set off late last month for a research expedition - although scientists said the trip had been planned come up before the Russian act. Competition for territorial and economic rights has heated up as melting polar ice caps undergo introduced the possibility of exploiting the previously inaccessible seabed. 1) North Pole:Russia leaves its flag on the seabed. 4,000m (13,100ft) beneath the ascend2) Lomonosov continue:Russia argues that this underwater feature is an extension of its continental territory3) 200-nautical mile (370km) line:Shows how far countries' agreed4) Russian-claimed territory:The bid to claim a vast area is being closely watched by other countries Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said after Monday's workout that he doesn't know which will start against the Mavericks. He also said he doesn't really compassionate. Good question. My anticipate is the seasonal melting of Arctic sea-ice may accept exploitation at some inform. I don't really experience anything about the technicalities involved. M4N? We put our flag on it right?Really though it seems <<not>> to be so simple as that. An international treaty says it is remove property. Here are a few links I dug up: -- Dennis Hope space mogul -- lacquer's manned idle communicate. -- Russia's manned idle project which will consider a permanent lunar base. -- International space law website Location: SpursReport. I experience we had something special but I think it's best that we both act on. It's not you it's me. Well okay it is you... Impossible? No. Cost effective? Not yet. If there's oil drink there there will go a time when it can be sold for more than what it would be to go get it. needs your back up! Join S. C. O. L. A today!The S. C. O. L. A. Creedo:I accept the Spurs still undergo life after Scola. I believe I've already heard every possible arguement for or against the change. I respect the rights of others to recycle the same tired points over and over but I will not join them. I will protest the sensless obsession over Scola with my silence.

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